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Shift In Republican Legislative Leadership Begins To Take Shape

by Christine Stuart | Jan 22, 2014 1:34pm
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Posted to: Election 2014, State Capitol, Derby, North Branford, Shelton

CTNJ file photo (Updated 3:50 p.m.) With Sen. Minority Leader John McKinney running for governor and House Minority Leader Lawrence Cafero undecided about a re-election bid, the General Assembly’s Republican caucuses could be in for some big changes in 2015.

McKinney has already said he won’t seek another term in the Senate during his gubernatorial campaign. Cafero has not announced whether he will run for re-election. If he doesn’t, that means the House will see its first major leadership change in nearly a decade.

Cafero was first elected in 1992 and served for six years as deputy minority leader before serving the past eight years as minority leader. He succeeded former House Minority Leader Robert Ward, who now serves as an auditor of public accounts.

CTNJ file photo Rep. Vincent Candelora, R-North Branford, who lives in Ward’s district, said he’s interested in the leadership position but would rather see Cafero stay for one more term so that there’s some consistency and continuity.

“Larry has brought the Republican Party to a whole new level over the past eight years,” Candelora said Wednesday. “It will be a big vacuum to fill if he does leave.”

Cafero is expected to make a decision before the end of the month.

CTNJ file photo In addition to Candelora, Reps. Themis Klarides, R-Derby, and Jason Perillo, R-Shelton, have expressed interest in advancing to the position of minority leader.

Klarides, who would be the next in line for the position, said she’s been talking to people for a few months about it.

“The Republican caucus has been my second family for 16 years,” Klarides said.

CTNJ file photo If she won the support of her caucus, Klarides would be the first Republican woman to hold the minority leader position in the House.

Perillo, who was elected in a 2007 special election to fill the seat of the late-Rep. Richard Belden—one of the longest serving legislators in the House—stressed that the leader of the caucus was still Cafero.

Courtesy of House Republicans He said he would like an opportunity to lead the “impressive group of talented individuals” in the caucus.

Senate

Sen. Minority Leader Pro Tempore Leonard Fasano of North Haven would be next in line to take over McKinney’s leadership role in the Senate, but he said Tuesday that he’s not even thinking about it at the moment.

“It’s like halfway through football season thinking about who is going to be the team captain next season,” Fasano said. “There’s plenty of time for this stuff later.”

He said he has informed his colleagues that he’s running for re-election to his state Senate seat, but beyond that he said he is focused completely on the upcoming legislative session.

CTNJ file photo Sen. Rob Kane, R-Watertown, said McKinney and Fasano have been an “inspiration.”

Kane, who admits he has ambitions to move up in the leadership structure, said Fasano is seeking re-election and he sees no reason why he wouldn’t be the next minority leader or majority leader — depending on what happens in the 2014 election.

If Republicans take control of the Senate, then the next leader would become Senate President Pro Tempore. Democrats currently hold a 22 to 14 majority over Republicans in that chamber.

“If I could be second in command I would be honored,” Kane said Wednesday.

However, at the moment Kane said he’s focused on his role in the caucus as chair of policy and as the highest ranking Republican on the Appropriations Committee.

“I will definitely wait my turn,” Kane said.

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posted by: dano860 | January 22, 2014  5:44pm

Does it really matter who gets anointed? They will still be the minority party and excluded from putting their two cents into any legislation.
As far as becoming the majority party…it ain’t gonna happen in our lifetime. We can hope and dream but I have a better shot at hitting the Powerball than the Republicans becoming the majority party in Connecticut.

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 22, 2014  6:32pm

I believe Themis Klarides will win the support of her caucus. She is an outstanding leader and I have asked her to consider a run for Mayor of Derby in past years—but she declined as she is dedicated to her role s state representative, in which she has done an outstanding job.

posted by: Historian | January 22, 2014  6:57pm

Cafero cooked his future with tobaccogate and McKinney is a whiner not a leader. Klarides can pose best..

posted by: malvi | January 22, 2014  8:14pm

Why would they not want the position?  The job means more money, more cache, opportunity for other lucrative options, and little responsibility because republicans are and will forever be the MINORITY party.

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 22, 2014  9:14pm

@dano860:  If we can export grandchildren of the welfare voters that former Democratic Party leader, the late John Bailey imported into the state 60 years ago, perhaps both the taxpayers and Republicans would have a chance.  The working class voters are now a minority in Connecticut and social benefit voters vote for taxpayer paid Democratic prosperity.

posted by: art vandelay | January 22, 2014  9:44pm

art vandelay

Senator Kane & Representative Sean Williams would also be excellent choices.  dano860, I agree with your thoughts 100%.

posted by: Mopar | January 23, 2014  6:42am

Mopar

Some of those people voted with the Democrats on the new gun laws. I suspect they are more worried now about keeping their job then they are about a promotion. And worried they should be.

posted by: Breakingbad23 | January 23, 2014  8:43am

Klarides voted for the useless gun bill, that disqualifies her as far as i’m concerned.

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 23, 2014  10:08am

Stan—what in the world are you talking about?  John Bailey imports?????

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 23, 2014  10:14am

@Historian:  Let’s face it.  You do not like Republicans—but “spare the rod” with Gov. Malloy. However, it’s good you are attracted to Rep. Themis Klarides.  She is “a good looker.”

posted by: art vandelay | January 23, 2014  10:22am

art vandelay

It’s amazes me how voters will remember how Republicans voted on the recent gun votes.  They easily forget how Democrats & Republicans vote on tax legislation.  Tax increases have a much further detrimental effect on their lives than Guns. The legislators who continue to pick our pockets get re-elected time after time, yet one anti-gun vote and the lynch mob is out in full force.

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 23, 2014  11:32am

LongJohn47: You are apparently “a young fellow” and do not remember the 1950’s when State
Democratic Party Leader John Bailey paid low-pay welfare people in the South—to move to Connecticut to get a higher welfare check here—
and secured their votes for state political Democratic candidates.  Now - the great grandchildren of these welfare imports are a nucleus for a solid block of votes that win elections for
Democrats in our urban communities.

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 23, 2014  11:42am

Breakinbad23:  You would vote Democratic anyway.  Don’t knock Themis Klarides.  Read Art Vandelay’s rebuttal to your political expression.

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 23, 2014  11:52am

Stan—I’m not that young, but I wasn’t living here in the 50’s so wouldn’t know the story.  Do you have any source material you can point to to back this up? 

I know lots of people moved up from the South during WWII to work in factories, but I’ve never heard of that kind of migration in the time you mention.  I also find it hard to believe that in a state with 3.6 million people this has made any difference in voting blocks.

In short, please show us your data.  Thanks.

posted by: Joebigjoe | January 23, 2014  12:52pm

This is just one persons comments that I am repeating.

Back in 1983-84 I became friendly with my postman who was from Puerto Rico. I will never forget this conversation and when I do it means dementia has set in.

He told me how he was embarrassed to be from Puerto Rico. The reason was because when he came over here, there was a sign in the travel agency he used that said that the easiest place to get government welfare in the United States was Hartford CT.

Just a little tid bit from a hard working good guy from another country just telling it like it was at that time in the history of our state.

I couldnt explain the real differences between the parties at that time being a college kid, but I already knew back then growing up in Hartford that the facts were simple and its my mantra to today.

We give far too much to people that are capable of helping themselves and not nearly enough to those that can’t.

I can also solve the immigration issue in this country with one statement.

If you are an illegal immigrant you cannot vote for 25 years after we give you lawful status.

Democrats would never go for that because they want these people to vote and thats what this is all about for them. In 25 years of working out of the shadows and paying taxes these people would not be Democrats.

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 23, 2014  2:48pm

Joe, you’re right that Democrats see immigration as a political plus and Republicans don’t (unless you’re “W” and his sidekick “turd blossom”, but no one is listening to them anymore).

What surprises me is how bent out of shape many Tea Party people are on this subject, while Establishment Rs make the same argument you do about how hard work etc will make the immigrants vote conservative.

It’s clear to me that on social issues like abortion, Hispanics (the largest group by far) lean right.  It’s also true that just to survive in this country today they’re very enterprising and entrepreneurial, which is also supposed to be the province of conservatives.  So maybe Rove is right.

Anyway, neither of us will know until it’s tried, but the more your Rs seem unfriendly the less likely they are to win allegiance from this group. 

But twenty-five years seems too long to make someone a second class citizen.  My compromise would be immediate green cards for those who qualify so they can work, pay taxes, open bank accounts, buy insurance—everything needed to make them productive members of society.

Then I’d hold back citizenship for ten years to make sure that they pay their taxes and behave themselves.  But when they become citizens, they would have the vote like anyone else.

That would give your side ten years to convince them that ineffective government, cheap taxes, and no social safety net is what they want and what we all need.  if you can’t make the sale in ten years, it’s never going to happen.

Then they’re mine.

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 23, 2014  3:13pm

@John: My former oil man, service station gasoline and auto service provider, milk machine provider, Suburu and Ford auto dealer,and former schoolmate and friend of my late brother Chet—
the late and great respected valley business man - Henry Healy - was the Democratic State Central Committee Man—who met with the late Democratic Party Chief John Bailey every Wednesday in Hartford—and revealed this vote import agenda to me personally—and it was verified later by Connecticut news media.  This was before the days of the computer—but it’s all proven by history now—verified by the continued Democratic voting hold in winning elections through the vote of our state urban communities.  This didn’t happen by accident.  The vote was conceived—long ago.

posted by: Joebigjoe | January 23, 2014  3:28pm

Long John that’s funny. Right out of the Chuck Schumer playbook, where you say “But twenty-five years seems too long to make someone a second class citizen”.

Lets not forget that everything else provided is one heck of an opportunity for someone who is here ILLEGALLY while other people that would be highly productive citizens like doctors and scientists and tech entreprenuers have to wait in line.

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 23, 2014  3:40pm

@John:  The people that came her from the South during World War II—came to Connecticut to WORK.  Many worked with my late father-in-law at the former Anaconda American Brass Company in Ansonia, and were not only good workers but good citizens and taxpayers in their community.  Don’t confuse the World War II work-seeking people who came to Connecticut from the South with the Democratic welfare imports arriving here a decade later John.  As a consumer finance company operater—many of these working people qualified for loans as they were gainfully employed—and paid back their loans in a responsible fashion.

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 23, 2014  3:40pm

Stan—I’m fascinated.  How did John Bailey “import” voters?  How many?  When?

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 23, 2014  4:05pm

Joe—you just made my point about irrational Tea Party attitudes

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 23, 2014  8:54pm

@LongJohn:  John Bailey’s
state Democratic Party leadership paid for the move of southern welfare voter’s to Connecticut using the Democratic Party bankroll.
Don’t know how many welfare voters come to Connecticut—but it appears to have been “too many”—also their families grew once they established themselves here—for an expanded voting bloc—which now includes their great, great grandchildren continuing the welfare train 60 years later.

posted by: dano860 | January 23, 2014  10:04pm

@Stan & LJ47,

Wow, that’s a long link!
Anyway, the book is ‘An Introduction to Connecticut State and Local Politics’ and on page 30 they provide some pertinent information about Ct manufacturing taking a hit during the depression and Gov. Wilbur Cross and Pres. F.D. Roosevelt solidifying the Dems. in Ct.
Bailey became the Dem Party head in 1946. He was able to create winning coalitions among the ethnic groups and the working class people.
In Joe Lieberman’s book, ‘The Legacy’ he puts together a bunch of news stories and the reviewer, The New York Times, is left with some thoughts and questions; (from the review)
What shines through Mr. Lieberman’s account is admiration: ‘‘To watch him at a Democratic convention was to watch an artist at work, a true professional. Here, he brought the ornate structure together, the web of his mutually beneficial relationships with the big-city bosses and regional leaders, the ethnic federations and the important interest groups. They gave their votes in return for spots on the ticket, state jobs, judgeships, legislation, state grants for towns, and the deference he gave them. His system of power was circular, and everyone who was involved benefited from it.’‘

Did the public benefit? Did the system of power-brokering provide efficient, effective government? What are the implications for democratic theory? What is the meaning of such a long and influential political career, aside from smoothing the internal workings of a political party to improve its operation vis-a-vis the competing party? Answers to such questions would make a better book.
I don’t doubt what you’re saying LJ47, nobody believes that everything was above board then or now. I wish there was some of it in print somewhere. Back in the day, as they say, I don’t believe the reporters were as investigative as today and if they were it was never printed.
There is a library of his papers and speeches in the Dodd Center, but all I found was a list, not the actual writings.
The power brokers were well shielded.
Themis will serve us proudly and we’ll.

posted by: Joebigjoe | January 23, 2014  10:25pm

Ok Paul Krugman Jr. You really think that people that came here illegally should be allowed to vote? Do you love this country and the rule of law or do you want to have it fall?

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 23, 2014  11:07pm

Stan—it’s impossible to believe a story like this without a bit more proof.  You were told by a guy long dead that another guy long dead paid for some unknown number of people to uproot themselves and move to another state where they bred like rabbits so they could vote Democratic and get welfare? 

Seriously?

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 24, 2014  12:48am

Joe—the very fiber of this country is made up of people who came here, worked hard, and prospered.  It’s clearly what separates us from almost every other country. 

In the past they had to overcome indentured servitude, slavery, epidemics, raw frontiers, cess-pool cities, violent resistance from Native Americans, and unbearable discrimination from the groups that immediately preceded them.

Before the first World War we welcomed almost anyone, then we changed the rules.  But we didn’t change the underlying, fundamental reason that drew people here, so of course they continue to come.

If you’re a conservative you believe in the market.  If you believe in the market, you think it’s foolish to have government try to “distort” the market with regulations that go against basic economic sense.

You call them illegal and therefore feel entitled to consign them to servant status, barely tolerated (if at all) and constantly threatened with deportation. 

In this you are no different than earlier generations who felt superior to immigrant Irish or Jews or Chinese while profiting from their cheap labor.

I see this as a matter of fairness - they’ve come here with great difficulty, have worked hard, and deserve to take their place alongside everyone else. 

You seem to believe it’s the end of civilization as we know it, that America is being dragged down by people who don’t love it as much as you do.

Well, here’s a news flash—they’re here, they’re not going away, and their children are the fastest growing voting block, while the Fox News generation rides off into the sunset. 

Get used to it.  Or not.  It really doesn’t matter.  Sooner or later (probably sooner) the barriers will come down and they’ll be allowed to come out of the shadows.  And when it happens, as it surely will, our country will be stronger, not weaker.  It’s the American way.

posted by: Joebigjoe | January 24, 2014  8:59am

Long John nice that you believe in fantasy island. What a great version of history but you left out important information.

Lets call them our forefathers for sake of simplicity.

Our forefathers didnt milk the services provided by government.

Our forefathers came here and were Italian Americans, Polish Americans, etc. Read my lips Mr. Rourke. There was never any desire by any of these people that they not have to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, that if they didnt believe in Jesus Christ that no one be able to celebrate Jesus Christ in their midst, and most of all there was never a desire to fly the Mexican flag because these people were thrilled to be Americans.

Every single night according to my immigrant Polish American grandparents Bulkeley High School in Hartford was packed with people who wanted to learn English. It was the most important thing for them to do so, to be assimilated and get ahead.

Today most people, but not all, will learn English in dribs and drabs and are not making anywhere near the effort to become Americanized that people in the past did.

As for my argument you talk about living in the shadows and I talked about letting them totally out of the shadows but not allowing them to vote. They came here illegally.

Do you know what will happen if we do like some politicians say to do and that is let them pay a fine? The Democrat party will fund raise to get the fine paid for them or some rich person will pay the fine for many of them to lock them into the Democrat party.

People like you are trying to destroy this country. How about we let them be citizens and vote in a few years, but we shut down the border tight and make it so after this group is set up for violating the law that the next group cant come in. Nope cant do that its inhumane according to the Dems.

Finally have you ever been to Arizona recently or New Mexico? The southern half of the states are not even America anymore. I have new friends that lived in this area, moved to Tuscon, and now are back. People like you will never hear the stories because its not politically correct to discuss what has gone on to the schools down there, the neighborhoods and squatters, the crime, the kidnappings, and on and on.

It isnt like immigration of old and all I am saying is let them come out of the shadows but they cant vote for 25 years and then politicans will make the right decision and not the one that benefits them and their party.

Now on another matter there is news today that the American government has been flying into American government has been secrety flying Syrian refugees into the US, giving them cash and sending them out into our country bypassing immigration. Its nice to be helpful to people from a war torn zone but we cant first put them into a FEMA camp for a short time and process them in some way before sending them along their way?

posted by: dano860 | January 24, 2014  10:05am

Boiler room politics is nothing new. As the review said ,”(at Bailey’s hand)They gave their votes in return for spots on the ticket, state jobs, judgeships, legislation, state grants for towns, and the deference he gave them. His system of power was circular, and everyone who was involved benefited from it.’‘
They ask the question though, “did the people of Ct benefit from these actions.” I think that question still stands.

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 24, 2014  11:16am

@LongJohn:  If you remember World War II worker migration—from the South—but have a memory lapse of the welfare imports for Democratic votes a decade later—you can believe what you want to believe John.  I’m sure there are other survivor’s from that time frame—that have a better memory than you. Personally—I don’t think I have to prove anything to you—as you do not have the confidence and conviction to use your real name. I generally agree with you—but I can’t help you—“if you choose to be a doubting LongJohn.”

posted by: gutbomb86 | January 24, 2014  2:55pm

gutbomb86

It’s a little ways up in this comment thread but Joe, you just showed evidence of your flawed world view with that anecdote.

Puerto Rico has never been anything but part of the USA in our lifetimes. The US invaded the island from the southwest corner near Guanica in 1898, taking it by force. Puerto Rico has been a US commonwealth ever since and they already vote. What is it with this fascination or concern that brown skinned people are going to vote? It’s a ridiculous affectation that does nothing to help the Republican party, unless the goal is to become a more isolated, ineffectual party.

So the story that some guy was embarrassed because a travel agent on the island marketed Hartford as an easy place to get gov’t services and support just kind of rings a little ridiculous. They get a lot of government services in Puerto Rico as well as in Connecticut because it’s all part of the same country. Not everyone needs direct gov’t services or support, and very few people need it for their whole lifetime. Grumbling about other peoples’ needs is just that, grumbling. I’m often disappointed by the single-mindedness of discussion in these threads. It’s like the same 5-6 guys feel as though they are going to convince the General Assembly that they need to stop everything and listen to some anonymous commenters for ideas. Yikes.

posted by: Commuter | January 25, 2014  2:46am

@ StanMuzyk - you were friends with Henry Healey? That’s your source? He probably did have some cockamamie scheme like that.

Answer this question: how many people are on welfare in this state today?

And this question: What evidence do you have of whether an individual on welfare voted or not - and how do you come by this, um, data?

Henry Healey. OMG.

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 25, 2014  12:46pm

“Finally have you ever been to Arizona recently or New Mexico? The southern half of the states are not even America anymore.”

Joe, with every post you reveal how bigoted you are.  I can guarantee you that people said the same thing about your Polish grandparents, as they did about East Euopean Jews before them and the Irish before them. 

Same old story, same tired complaint. “They aren’t like us.  They don’t respect our ways.  They’re dirty/strange/criminals/subversives” - whatever we’re afraid of at the moment. 

We want them to go back to where they came from, or at least to stay out of sight.  We exploit their labor.  We demand their loyalty while denying them human rights.  We make them the scapegoat for our problems.

But generally they tough it out (unlike your friends who fled Tuscon), find a way to beat the system that’s stacked against them, and prevail.  And when they do, they remember well who helped them, and who stood over them and tried to keep them down.

So every day that the Tea Party Republicans oppose real immigration reform, they increasingly alienate the fastest growing block of voters.  Sooner or later these people will vote, and you and your friends are pushing them into the open arms of the Democratic Party.

But hey!  Who am I to complain?  Go for it!

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 25, 2014  2:30pm

Stan - do you also discredit Noteworthy, JoeBigJoe, Commuter, dano860, Historian, malvi, amd Mopar for concealing their true identity on this thread?

You’ve made an unsupported assertion that John Bailey brought enough freeloaders from the South (black people, perhaps?) thru some unknown program so that their decendants can control CT elections through their sheer numbers.

Your assertion is ridiculous on its face, and racist to boot.  You can’t back it up with any facts, but like Tom “I’ve heard it and people believe it” Foley you think it’s okay to make crazy statements but provide no proof.

You tell me I can “believe what you want to believe”.  I believe in facts.  Got any?

posted by: StanMuzyk | January 25, 2014  9:36pm

@Commuter:  I wouldn’t question Henry Healy’s creditability.  He had a very successful and respected lifetime of achievement. How can a person like you who doesn’t have the courage to use his real name knock attack a real person?  You have a lot of nerve—but nobody knows you -and your comments don’t matter.  “Keep traveling”—Commuter.

posted by: Joebigjoe | January 27, 2014  8:19am

Long John with every post you reveal that like other lefties you have good intentions but you live in a fantasy world. You call me a bigot because I point out what is happening in parts of our country that unless you are there or know someone there you cant comprehend that this immigration is not like others.

Here is an example. Please read it and then I cordially invite you to actually pay attention to the news. This of course is from our own local station and not Fox. This is also happening in schools, businesses and in rallies in various communities and not just jail but you want to blindly award these people with citizenship. I’d like to award people with citizenship that love this country, have allegiance to this country, don’t live on the government dole, but people like you are whining little babies who are more concerned about being fair. Wake up John. Life isnt fair.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/24532745/mcso-38-inmates-desecrate-flag-put-on-bread-and-water

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 27, 2014  10:38am

Joe—what in the world does this article have to do with anything?  No one’s advocating giving citizenship to people in jail (if, in fact, this article is about alien prisoners, which is not clear).

“Life isn’t fair”?  Who said it was?  Really, with every post you go further and further off track.

posted by: Joebigjoe | January 27, 2014  11:00am

Long John I went back and reread your posts. You seem to see these people and others before them as victims that we have exploited for their cheap labor, and now we owe them.

Really? Did we send trucks to pick them up and bring them here or did they come here in ways that violated the law. Sure did we look the other way? Of course we did.

Do they send money back home to give a better life to their families? Of course they do but in your world we are exploiters.

Do their kids use our schools? Do they use our hospitals? Do some of them end up in our prisons?

How many of them that you refer to as being in the shadows pay federal and in some cases their state taxes? Not many, yet you want to reward them with citizenship and voting?

You lose sight of the doctors who are as good as many of our doctors that cant come walking across the border at the Rio Grande and practice medicine of any type including in free clinics because they have to wait in line, but you want to support those poor exploited people who chose to break the law.

Rewarding people who broke the law doesnt make America stronger Long John. It leads to a slippery slope that makes us weaker.

I’m not even saying to send these people back but all I am saying is two things.

1) You do not reward lawbreakers with the right to vote immediately.

2) Many of these people could care less about America, and learning English. That is so much different than those people that came over to Ellis Island and loved America and made the effort to not be hired labor but Americans.

Finally read and watch the news. Other than prisoners there have been alot of issues in the Southwest where high school students have walked out of school because they refuse to recite the Pledge of Allegiance as well as demanded the mexican Flag be flown at their school with the American flag.

All I know is I want hard working, smart, industrious, good family, people that want to be Americans to be here. You and your liberal progressive friends try to blame businesses for exploiting these people and then call people bigots and racist because like our forefathers we want to be very careful and set standards for who was going to be allowed in to become an American.

posted by: art vandelay | January 27, 2014  2:41pm

art vandelay

@LongJohn47,
One does not have to go to Arizona or New Mexico to witness the new influx of immigrants coming into this country.  Walk the streets parallel to the Van Wyck Expressway in Queens. It’s like being in a large metropolitan city of a third world country. English is NOT the language nor are the signs on the storefronts.  Spend an an hour or two watching passengers departing planes at Terminal 1 or 4 at JFK.  Watch the countless number of baggage carts full of luggage with large families behind them.  Most of the women are wearing burkas.  These families are NOT coming to visit the tourist sites of Manhattan.  They are coming to STAY.  This event repeats itself several times an hour, seven days a week all year long.  I’m sorry, but the Immigration Act of 1922 was written for a purpose.  The country could not handle the multitude of people desiring to come. It was also designed to keep people out of this country who would not be productive. Ted Kennedy & LBJ repealed the law.  It was a HUGE mistake.

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 27, 2014  4:54pm

Joe—you acknowledge that we “look the other way”, so you agree that some employers think it’s in our interest to let them come and work here.

If at the same time they pay them less, or give them sub-standard working conditions, because they know they can get away with it, that’s exploitation.

I’m not saying this is what every employer does, but I am saying that it’s a problem, one that can be worked on if we adopted a reasonable program to bring these people out of the shadows.

By the way, I’m not advocating for immediate citizenship, but I’m also not supporting making them second class citizens without the vote for twenty-five years, which seems to be your solution.

You ask if their kids use our schools, and the answer is yes.  But they pay for that privilege, either directly or indirectly.  Schools are universally supported by property taxes, and if they rent, the taxes are paid by the landlord from rents collected.

Hospitals are a different matter.  Immigrants do use emergency rooms, which is very expensive.  Let them become citizens and in addition to paying taxes they become eligible for the Affordable Care Act and can buy health insurance like the rest of us.

You think of this as “rewarding people who broke the law”.  I see it as rewarding people who are strong enough to overcome all the obstacles put in their way because they’re fighting for a better life. 

I see them as deeply attached to this country, even in the face of bigots who want to throw them out or keep them down. 

I see them as passionate family people, often willing to sacrifice their own short-term happiness and health in the hopes of a long term gain for their children.

I see them as Americans.

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 27, 2014  4:57pm

Noteworthy—I get it.  You don’t like immigrants.  What can I say?  It’s probably the most un-American thing I’ve seen posted on this site, but Hey!  It’s America and you’re welcome to your opinion.

posted by: Joebigjoe | January 28, 2014  8:43am

Long John, I now get it. Thank you for spelling it out for us. How could I be so foolish and blind to my hatred and bigotry?

Seriously, Long John, you live in a fantasy utopia. You have made that abundantly clear.

This will be my last post on this subject in this story. We’ll have to discuss it again in another story that will no doubt come up about immigration.

Let me tell you about my cleaning lady. We pay her 80 dollars for roughly two hours of work every two weeks. She is from Brazil as is her husband and stayed here beyond their visa. They live in West Hartford.

Her English isnt the greatest but she tries. Her and her husband actually pay some Federal Income taxes because they think its the right thing to do. If they didnt she probably wouldnt be working for me but I respect her for her hard work, her desire to assimilate, her desire to give the government some money in taxes, and the fact that she cant go home to see her family because she may not be able to get back in.

But let me tell you what she tells me about other illegals she knows. They are more focused on how to work the system and get stuff than showing allegiance to America. Many of them hate America and are only here to get money because they have worse poverty back home. A number of them are committing crimes ranging from scams through violence and extortion. Those that pay attention to politics just want the money that someone can get them.

Do I want the ability to for my housekeeper and her husband to get some sort of legal status even though they broke the law to be here? Yeah I do, but she even said that if they could have that it would be Ok for a long period of not voting just so they can live here and come and go back to Brazil.

However unlike you who has this utopian view, my housekeeper has the desires and allegiances to this country that many of her peers dont have and thats not me talking, that’s her talking and expressing anger and frustration at too many other illegals.

posted by: LongJohn47 | January 28, 2014  10:14am

Joe - you like your housekeeper, who’s here illegally.  That’s a good first step.

What would you do with this guy?  Deport him?  Give him citizenship?  How long should he have to wait to be allowed to vote?